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Written by Xavier Mohr   
Thursday, 20 September 2007

How much real-life action is too much with
Second Life investment fraud?

By Xavier Mohr
SLRepports.net

An Editorial

Xavier Mohr, CapEx, SL Reports, SLReports, Jasper Tizzy, Arbitrage Wise, virtual world, Second Life, stock trading, investment, news

I received an email earlier from a friend, asking me about Jasper Tizzy's real-life information. While I did not know Jasper all that well aside from random IMs, my friend - like many of us - had made a well-researched connection that Jasper was likely Frank Corsi - formerly of Florida, now reportedly living in Indiana. I should note that this cannot be proven to my knowledge, but is a strong possibility based on all evidence available.

The email indicated that we should, "... get his real life info for the community."

Stop. "Hold it right there," I thought to myself. This was going a little too far for me.

Those of you that know me know I am committed to transparency, honesty, and my own real life is basically an open book compared to some. I am very easy to find in real life. However this is not the case with a lot of Second Lifers.

As Strange Ranger reported at Strange's Second Life Blog , if Tizzy is Frank Corsi in real life, he may have good reason to want his information to remain a secret.

However... "plain" people on the grid might require a bit of anonymity as well. Those with families, public positions in their communities, and reputations to protect in the real world would no doubt be alarmed if we passed their contact information amongst each other without knowing who was going to be doing what with it.

Jasper aside, I have started thinking about real-life information and how it relates to public business in Second Life. The bottom line is that I air on the side of caution based on my own experience for a number of years working and volunteering with social platforms across the web. 

I guess the bullet point here is, "Let the experts handle it."

If you suspect that a user has defrauded you, first contact the service provider - in our case, Linden Labs. These service providers have paid big bucks to legal counsel for development of Terms of Service (TOS) that keep them - and us - compliant with real-life laws.

Should escalation to the corporate level fail, and you suspect the user in question has violated real-life laws, contact the appropriate authorities. In the case of a U.S. citizen, this might be your local/regional F.B.I. office or police department.

I have seen, however, on more than one occasion where users take the matter into their own hands - 'vigilante justice' if you will. In a great majority of these cases, these users seem to end up with the legal microscope pointed back at them... while the scammer or rule-breaker in question walks away laughing.

Accusations of harassment, stalking, invasion of privacy, and other serious offenses should be expected when angry users circumvent authority and pursue a party in real life. The bottom line - better safe than sorry.

As for precaution against fraud, there are steps we can take and things we can do without violating the law or infringing on privacy.

In Second Life specifically, with publicly-listed CEOs, one precautionary measure is easy to implement in the IPO approval process... a measure already being seen at CapEx and other exchanges. That is... making the entire IPO process a real-world business transaction in which a CEO's identity is verified and he or she is advised of legal obligations to the business that is the exchange.

Ima Janitor, CEO of Riot Mechs (SLCX: MECH), underwent a U.S. credit check performed by Virtual Holdings, LLC... the real-world company that operates L&L Bank and Trust inside Second Life. It was a special measure implemented because of the large public float involved in the IPO, but one meant to lay the framework for possible real-world pursuit on a business level in the event the company disappeared with investor funds.

Precautionary measures at the business level are, in my opinion, a good thing. Blindly passing out a notecard with a CEO's name, telephone number, and address to a crowd of upset investors is not.

With the information obtained from CEOs, exchanges can ascertain whether or not a CEO is sick, having real-world difficulties, or truly out to scam people in the case of no contact or suspected fraud. All an investor can do is call upset -- or dare I say, 'visit' -- not knowing the situation, not knowing what other investors with the same information have done or plan to do.

Limiting the number of people with access to real-life information of Second Life CEOs is a necessity.

If you disagree, odds are you need to seriously rethink what you are doing inside Second Life. Remember that all of us, no matter how hard we try to push SL business closer to RL compliance, must at some point admit that Second Life is an unregulated, online entertainment platform.

If we want regulated, protected investment, we need to go to the real world for it. Find a stock broker, open an IRA or savings account, sign a contract and fund a small start-up in your local area. Don't bring $50,000 USD into Second Life and get upset when you lose it and have no legal recourse for getting it back. You knew the risks when you logged in... or at least you should have!

That being said, until we can get some real regulation here, all we can do is expect exchanges and businesses... at their level... to treat this as real business and take all the appropriate precautions to mitigate the risk of fraud. I'm happy that so far I have been lucky enough to be a part of businesses that have done nothing but that.

Will we ever see regulation in Second Life finance and investment? Probably. We're already hearing rumors from SL's financial elite that real-world questions are being asked.... whether that's true or not is yet to be determined.

Until such a time when we have protection to fall back on, just be safe... and use a little common sense. Invest in companies that have provided real-life IDs to exchanges. Look at financial reports. Be diligent with your money in the absence of regulation. It may pay off in the end.

'Til Next Time...

Xavier Mohr 

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SLReports.net User   | 2007-09-21 00:52:05
Surely isnt JT Financial the next Ponzi waiting to Implode! With 0.25 million USD in deposits- Jaspers bank will look like small fry
Strange Ranger     | 2007-09-21 01:47:34
Of course everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but they're also encouraged (and urged) to do their own investigating before making anonymous comments like that.

I won't go on and on talking about how wrong I think you are with that statement, but I'll ask you to look a little deeper before claiming that "the sky is falling". You can start here:
http://your2ndplace.com/node/377
Jasper Tizzy - The story   | 2007-09-21 06:53:03
After KFM left, and all the mess started, i did decide to give up and pass it all to PatrickJ Ah. My intentions were that he could make it all work or resolve it for everyone.

Well as you see Pat now only cares about CGI - But where did the money to buy all the cgi land come from? the bank.

I feel the bank the cgi and atlas are all into one.

The Bank bought the land as investment property, the land rates were high back then. Now land prices are dead low, due to LL pushing the rates down.

I didnt run off, I quit the game. Gave the assets (LAND) to pat. Pat now seems to be saying it is all CGI well it was bought with bank funds so it was to be all into one.

As my bank atm message always stated :This is not a real Bank It is a GAME.:
Glenn Goodliffe - Yes, it's a game but people pu   | 2007-09-21 12:15:09
Sure, it's a game. But if a game has an exchange rate with the real world, then the game currency becomes "real." In this situation, when someone accepts investment from others, they should assume responsibility for that. It is the honest and decent thing to do. Not just quit and abandon a large number of trusting people who have lost the equivalent of $1000s of dollars worth of real US money. What happened to the money?

I agree that CGI is not the only thing. If assets were purchased with funds from Linden Bank/The Bank, then it is the bank customers who should be the first creditors in line to split any revenues from sale of land that was purchased with our money.

An rather far-fetched, but possible alternative would be for someone to step up to the plate, and save The Bank. This has precident in RL. If limits are placed on withdrawals, and with sufficient assets in place to cover a reasonable percent of deposits, it could be merged into an existing bank, bringing with it a large number of very thankful customers, who will become faithful investors, if the new bank maintains reasonable financial practices.

All of this is easy to say, and difficult to do, but we owe it to each other and ourselves to do our best to do the right thing.
SLReports.net User   | 2007-09-21 15:02:05
Jasper, Yes you did too run off, you didn't tell anyone tha twas associated with the bank, nor anyone but a few close people you knew. You could have put signs up on your bank properties or even on the atlas property telling people you were getting out, but instead of doing such a thing you just letf SL all together. I know for a fact I imed you and you never got back to me, and you did sign on after I imed you about my funds. Your lies are just building up constantly. But the person that you are you will keep blaming it on everyone else when in reality it was all on your shoulders and you cuoldn't hack it
SLReports.net User   | 2007-09-21 15:03:43
Jasper, Yes you did too run off, you didn't tell anyone tha twas associated with the bank, nor anyone but a few close people you knew. You could have put signs up on your bank properties or even on the atlas property telling people you were getting out, but instead of doing such a thing you just letf SL all together. I know for a fact I imed you and you never got back to me, and you did sign on after I imed you about my funds. Your lies are just building up constantly. But the person that you are you will keep blaming it on everyone else when in reality it was all on your shoulders and you cuoldn't hack it
SLReports.net User   | 2007-09-21 15:09:44
So wait for those NOT associated with CGI but had money in "THE BANK" in CD's where is the money, or who has control over it.

And Im sorry but the statement this is not a real bank but a game doesnt help those who have enough Lindens to substantiate alot of USD, which is real money.

And most who are associated with the Bank just want to get their money from the CD's how do they do that - was Patrick given the money from the bank and the cd's as well ??
SLReports.net User - soizie fr - jasper you're a liar   | 2007-09-21 15:47:40
Excuse my poor english, i'm french! In june 2007, i talked to you and about my fear setting all my money in a cd account at your bank.Everything was safe and ok! I explained to you i was ill in rl and couldn't work. I saved 200 € on my invalid maintenance to make it grow in your bank! this was real money and not just a game!! And where is atlas venture capital? why didn't you answer any of my im's before to desapear from sl?
I was supposed to get my money back at the end of october, now i don't know how i'm goinf to eat from oktober till december of this year but i guess this is not your problem!!!!!!
Losing alot of money in The Ba   | 2007-09-21 16:20:36
Jasper I dont understandhow you can just quit SL, and not give the money from the bank back to the people who had accounts. If there were too many people then you should have let them know they had a chance to withdraw their money, then hand over whatever shares and land you had. That would have been the right thing to do - alot of people are going to be hurt by losing the money they had in the bank.
Losing alot of money in The Ba - Restitution is Demanded !!!   | 2007-09-21 16:24:32
And btw PatrickJ Ah is saying he doesnt have everything from you and that he also had 2.2 Million in "The Bank"

Someone has trasaction history to show who has what, Jasper if you gave the money to someone then take a screenshot of your transaction history and show everyone who you gave the money to so that we may try and go after the proper person for restitution
SLReports.net User - Read This, Jasper   | 2007-09-21 17:22:04
In reply to jasper's post:

1) Yes, you ran away instead of openly stating the situation to your depositors and investors and trying to minimize damage to those who trusted you, and maybe even salvaging the situation.

2) Your disclaimer is legally irrelevant, as has been decided by various courts. You made specific promises and failed to fulfil them. No Disclaimer protects you from the obligations you enter voluntarily.

3) Based on documented assurances from you I have brought new customers to The Bank. Their conversations with you are documented as well. All together the deposited amounts of those depositors I'm in contact with are large enough to launch serious legal action (not some small claims court complaint).

4) In the course of such action, your RL-identity will be revealed by LL; given the amounts involved (and the possibility of The Bank and AVC having been a money-laundering operation, a serious enough allegation to get some real action going) it will be easy to get a court-order revealing your RL-ID.
SLReports.net User - Read This Jasper Continude..   | 2007-09-21 17:46:40
5) Your 'Disclaimer' notwithstanding, you have operated as a bank from within the USA. Doing so without a proper license is a criminal offense.

Conclusion: it is in your own best interest to come back and clean up the mess you created by at least refunding your depositors and investors. Given your posts on SLExchange, you have the means to fix the mess.

It's not as if your depositors/investors are without legal remedy. The consequences of legal action against you would be rather severe. Your best bet is to make sure no one has cause for legal action.

SLReports.net User   | 2007-09-21 18:17:29
Jasper I think you should try and come back and salvage what has been done, try to rectify those who are losing money. And now would be the best time to do it. The longer you wait the angrier people will be over the amount of money they have lost. But if they can get some, most or maybe even half of their money back they would feel somewhat better.. I would hate to see this get uglier then what it is now
SLReports.net User   | 2007-09-21 18:24:22
Jasper the bank did not own the land CGI shareholders did. Lawyers are going to bleed you dry on this one. Lots of postings and bragging plus easy to get RL info. Its a young lawyers wet dream of a case to make a name for him or herself.
SLReports.net User   | 2007-09-22 01:49:32
I somewhat feel sorry for Jasper and at the same time am angry with him. It's one thing to want to exit a business that you perceive as failing due to economic conditions and completely another to abandon the trust and responsibilities given to you.

As for the comment about him breaking U.S. Law? No, he did not. He did not operate as a bank. He operated as a fictional bank. Just like you operate as a fictional bank when you play monopoly, except you don't trade real money for the play money except at the retail cash register.. just like you trade real money for play money at the LL point of sale known as the Lindex.

He did make it well known in his publishings he was a game bank, at the same time he is morally "cheating" his depositors by not trying to live up to as much as the outstanding deposits he owed as he could. Atop that, the multiple business failures.

In my eyes, unless he acts to remedy his current situation. Jasper.. Frank.. will be no better to me than Ginko. He may not be a criminal by the laws of the land, but other powers will hold him responsible for his moral failings. (Yes, I'm religious.) And perhaps he should be a criminal by the laws of the land, but if that is true then a lot of research needs to be done by the appropriate governing authorities on how to make a virtual/game economy work without vastly increasing the cost of administration and destroying those playful, educational environments.
Samantha Goldflake - VSTEX Communication and Public     | 2007-09-22 04:42:34
Mr. Tizzy, we can't know for sure who's telling the truth here, anyway while we understand that someone may want to leave SL at some point (whatever the reason), in your story we don't see where the urge to leave was.

You had to give proper communication in advance, transfer all of your assets over a specific timeframe (that had to be publicly known) and then assist the new owner for even a few days.

That was the right way to go.

Last but not least, claiming "it's a game and we use fictional currency which has no value, read the TOS" is very uncalled for.
SLReports.net User   | 2007-09-22 06:49:14
Well My advice would be for anyone playing SL, to keep all you Lindens to the game, that way its keeps SL as a game, cuz the minute you CASH Lindens out of that game it becomes TAXABLE MONEY to the IRS. So whoever profited that money in their pocket better be ready to pay taxes on all that, cuz you just turned it into "income". So maybe there will be legal reprocussions after all
I lost a lot of money in your - Read this Jasper   | 2007-09-25 03:16:01
Jasper,
maybe you were not running any datacenter, otherwise you would be enough intelligent to hide your IP. All of us know that you are in Indiana, so that I have asked to a good friend, working at the FBI, to start from there the investigations against you. Fraud and money laundering are the main accusations. You will be individuated very soon and... don't worry about the trial... it will be a game too... also the Judge will be a game. The jail... I am not so sure it will be a game. Ask and let me know :-)))
SLReports.net User   | 2007-11-08 11:57:33
I don't know if it is lawful to charge 'taxes' or not?
Who gave anyone 'authority' to charge 'taxes' anyways?
I think sl is a game, and ought not to be taken too seriously.
I think that any real monies put into this game, might potentially completely disappear in many different ways.
But, if you owe people monies, then you ought to pay it back.
If you have some kind of 'reasons' for 'justifying' not giving people their monies back, then what are those 'reasons'? Are you justified? Did you mislead people?
The goal is reconcilliations, and that might be somewhat sought after via offending parties giving back to others that which was defrauded, along with damages added onto that, because of the defrauding; and that means that crime/sin doesn't pay.
that is sort of similar to the law.
On the other hand, concilliatory reactions on parts of those offended might be necessary, due to offenders perhaps unwilling to pay back, and pay damages that are in excess of the original amounts that were defrauded. But, they might not have been defrauded, and the intentions might not have been to defraud; but rather, at a whim, the offenders suddenly decides to take off with investors monies, when some types of aggravating factors suddenly or over time occur.
SLReports.net User - what is the law?   | 2007-11-15 00:33:10
Might be at the whim of a judge in real life, to decide if it is 'just a game', or whether it ought to be taken more seriously? Where persons such as Jasper are saying that the law is 'that this was just a game'. Whereas people who put real monies into the bank, are not satisfied, and although they were playing the game, they took it more seriously?
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