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Where has the WSE Gone? 

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Written by Guardian Market   
Sunday, 29 June 2008

By Guardian Market, SLR CFO

Does anyone here remember the WSE?  Remember LukeConnell Vandeverre, the self-assured CEO of that first multi-company stock exchange in Second Life?  It’ll strain your virtual memory to do so, since the WSE has all but disappeared in recent months and the metaverse has a short attention span.

On January 6, 2008, the World Stock Exchange posted this announcement stating that it was going to upgrade to a new edition of their webpage – WSE 4.0.  The article reports, “…we expect the new website design, layout, functionality and services should be completed within 45 days.”  That would have put launch date by February 20th.  Instead, at the time of this writing the WSE has been closed for 175 days, and shows no signs of life.  A splash screen which greets visitors says only that WSE 4.0 is coming,  and that the “Launch Date [is] CO.MI.NG”  Presumably the odd grammar is a cute way of saying that they’ll put those dates in the graphic soon.  The screen has been up for at least a month, without change.

 

I would love to give additional statistics on when WSE’s last announcement was, how many companies have left the WSE due to this prolonged closure, etc., but when I tried to log in and check records, I was greeted with the friendly message, “Research is closed during the upgrade process.” 

The closure itself brought about some controversy.  Lindsay Druart claimed at the time of closure that Vandeverre had advanced warning of the interest ban that was about to be handed down from Linden Labs.  As nearly half a year has passed since the closing date, I would have hoped that Vandeverre would be posting updates, reports, showing previews, etc.  However, this is not happening.  While Vandeverre is still in world (or so I hear – being in North America while he is in Australia, we don’t usually have the same schedule), the WSE website is nearly dead.  Only a few faithful companies do their financials, and the rest are either silent or leaving.

Oh, and in all of this, HCB (Hope Capital Bonds) have defaulted not just once, but three times on their periodic interest payments.  Again, the research section is closed, but from my records the payments should have occurred at December 2nd, February 2nd and May 2nd.  I renew my credit rating of D on Hope Capital.

So what is an investor to do?  I think most WSE investors have mentally, if not financially, written of their WSE account balances.  The cynic in me says that this is a mistake – that investors should only press harder the longer the outage lasts, but I know that won’t happen.  If money came into the WSE because of attention, then is this silence and non-activity a way of slowly letting that money leave the metaverse?  Only Vandeverre’s LindeX records will answer that question, and I doubt we’ll ever have access to those.

I encourage the WSE staff, especially Vandeverre, to make an announcement as soon as practical.  You have certainly had time to prepare your comments, and investors deserve to be treated better.

I encourage WSE accountholders to question Vandeverre about the standings of the site, a timeline for going live, and possible remuneration for the excessive delays, which will surely only result in depressed portfolio values if the site does ever resume.

As for my thoughts, I doubt the WSE will ever open again.  Going this long with no signs of life, my guess is that Vandeverre has gotten involved with other projects, either in the Metaverse or outside it, and the WSE will slowly fade away into the bits and bytes of the internet.
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Recka Wuyts - newsman     | 2008-06-29 12:13:04
Ok...so the WSE won't be back, or maybe they will, but what of the other exchanges....who's good, who's bad, who's...? where is the best place to invest in the metaverse?
Sportsbets - There:   | 2008-06-29 13:54:48
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Anonymous   | 2008-06-29 13:59:40
Lukes plan for HCB is since they have defaulted on the bond, Luke will probably delist HCB and give everyone WTF shares
Wenden Xeno - The easiest 2 million Lindens   | 2008-06-29 15:14:47
Frageurs Hock told me that the WSE defaulting was the "easiest 2 million Lindens I ever made"- thats why CAR hasnt delisted or gone private- so if you wn CAR shares, go and check out the motorcity sim- thats what your Lindens were used for, and you wont be getting them back
Sportsbets   | 2008-06-29 16:43:53
Frag? He has 11-12 Million L$ stocks&cash in WSE, that`s why i bet.
I not worry about my 41k CAR shares, best stock when WSE opens.

Just bought some AMI shares at WSE 4.0 lol
Sportsbets - CAR   | 2008-06-29 16:55:51
I know he used the money for MH Motors / Motorcity /Racing track etc.
Well invested, heīs making good money with selling those Cars.I own some myself
To Bad WSE closed that long time, that 0.025 weekly dividend was yummy.

Once WSE 4.0 is fully functioning (canīt deposit/withdraw WICīs now)
Iīll buy more CAR shares for sure.

I understand he not delist or go private, 12.000.000 L$ is a lot of money that stuck in his account.
Sportsbets - FED   | 2008-06-29 17:27:51
Wenden,
have look at FED (Ford Edelman Designs) trading 1000.00L$ a share buy some for the SAS Portfolio, FED pays 0.01 monthly dividend there are some for 750.00L$ now. cheap haha.
Guardian Market - SLR CFO     | 2008-06-29 21:08:28
I had absolutely no idea about that Facebook app. Why on Earth didn't Luke announce it on the WSE main page? Or did he and I was just asleep that day or something?
Sportsbets   | 2008-06-30 06:54:15
hm, i knowed it since 2-3 months or so but itīs still remaining in testing phase:



Submitted by: World Stock Exchange - WSE (Trade)
Date: June 11, 2008
Hello,

The WSE application on Facebook is currently in testing phase.

Please feel free to test out the application and to trade shares using your bonus credits.

Share trading is currently only possible in HCL (Hope Capital) and CAR (MH Motors)

Kind Regards,

Luke Connell,
CEO
World Stock Exchange
frageurs   | 2008-06-30 07:10:27
Wenden is just a big bag of s*** that just doenst know what to say.

First.

I have never raised 2 million Lindens so making a claim that i have raised the easiest 2 million is fake as my Inital offer was 1 million outa which i have paid around 200K in Dividens. ( that must hurt).
My assets were always greater then my offer when i came to WSE. Motorcity was a sim which was there even before i list myself on WSE, you can check that. I have always been inolved in Land.

The reason why Wenden is being a big boy now is simply becuase he did not keep his word. Wenden recently listed his compnay on SLAnpaex. I was the chairman of it. The deal he made with me was that he will offer me some shares in it, if i become the CEO Of it but have no power over the compnay. I agreed. After the compnay got floated, Wenden did not keep his word and now he is having fun spreading rumors. You are just a kid wenden, the money you will ever make with your company= our 1 day revenue. Dont try to act big and spread rumors. I was nice enough to not tell anyone about you not keeping your word, just dont spread fake rumors.
Wenden Xeno - SAS   | 2008-06-30 08:44:23
Yes- SAS- has the best reputation of any investment stock in SL. 0.05L dividends since launch, and the share price up from 1L at IPO to highs of about 3L. Compare that to CAR- currently WORTHLESS (as a public stock).

With Frageurs now outed as a thief who has stolen millions of Lindens- like he said in his own words- "The WSE defaulting was the easiest 2 million Lindens I ever made"
Delta Abramovic - Thick as Thieves   | 2008-06-30 08:46:51
Luke stole 12 million Lindens of Frageurs- so Frageurs stole 2 million Lindens off all his CAR investors (as hes scared that Luke wont pay him the 12 million hes stolen if he delists). O guess that makes them thick as thieves! LOL
Bims Writer - WSE application   | 2008-06-30 13:31:05
Hi there Sportsbets.

Have you kept the WSE application a secret;-)

or did you write about it for 2-3 month ago when you noticed. Where did you perhaps write about it. I think many do not have this information.

Bims Writer
Sportsbets   | 2008-06-30 14:04:44
Nope not secret, was just counting 1 and 1 when luke spoke about
Sportsbets   | 2008-06-30 14:42:09
a new (killer) application.
And when i saw the WSE groups there i expected it has something to do with it.
The application itself is new to me also,just played around little bit,and itīs not even in BETA testing so i shouldn`t posted the facebook link here.

So i asked to remove my posts+links about it,pls.

I think when itīs finished and tested Luke will inform himself about it for sure.

He not runned with our money or scammed or whatever, just not finished until now.



Sorry for sluppy english


SW
Anonymous   | 2008-06-30 15:56:55
IF you didnt pick up on Luke talking about the WSE and Facebook back in February then you must not be to smart. He was all over the facebooks jock like a bad itch. And Wenden you companies on ACE, how is that any better then being on WSE. IntLibber is the biggest scammer in SL.
BurnA Greenwood - Hope Capital Trading Room   | 2008-06-30 16:03:47
Inspired by this article, I decided to break into the WSE trading room on Hope Capital Sim... Its got to be said - the guy has made a number of improvements. I personally really like the WSE 4.0 ticker boards - certainly the most sexy(though currently the least functional!) ticker boards in SL! Also the place is set up for "The Official Launch of WSE 4.0" - including a very cheesey red carpet. However - the last time any of the objects seem to have been updated was 25 May 2008 (A full month ago) - maybe he launched it in secret! Either way - renting a full sim and investing in a Facebook add-on - i'd imagine we'll see some form of WSE eventually. Anyway - I have far too much free time - who cares anymore anyway!
Frageurs   | 2008-06-30 16:07:46
Wenden would be the last person to trust to, he doenst even do his job well. As i said earlier, i never raised 2 million so claiming that i have made the "easiest 2 million" is completly wrong as i never ever raised that much money. Your job is to know all companies listing and how they are doing, claiming something and making assumptions on fake claims is pretty bad. You must get that in your thick head. Its not becuase now you have the money to buy yourself some cloths that you can talk big.
Honest John - Answer the Question   | 2008-07-01 10:02:45
So then Frageurs- Answer the question- Are you ripping off your investors- or will you be paying them back now that WSE has been shut for half a year?
Anonymous   | 2008-07-01 10:50:17
"Yes- SAS- has the best reputation of any investment stock in SL. 0.05L dividends since launch, and the share price up from 1L at IPO to highs of about 3L. Compare that to CAR- currently WORTHLESS (as a public stock)."

Thats a bais opinion, but besides that how many shares does the CEO own, how many are in float, who are the top shareholders, where is the transparence. You have a company that invests and leaches off of other companies, just like every other investment company in SL, if they do good, yea for the CEO, if the company falls they blame it on the companies they invested in. Alittle transparance on what the company is investing in would be good, We know its not ACE, BNT, ESN, KAU,since they dont make any money. Maybe when the WSE opens back up, you should invest in CAR. I believe they paid .025L$ per share each week. That would double the dividends on SAS.

As for Frageurs and CAR, before WSE shut down for this endless upgrade, I believe that he paid weekly dividends, also he has the top car making company in SL, so its making money. I don't see why he would have to rip andone off.

What does SAS contribute to SL. Nothing
What does CAR contribute to SL? Content, High qualtity Content
ferre howlett   | 2008-07-01 13:40:04
do a search on google lol i did it and found my company to invest my lindens lol or u can contact me inworld.
have fun trading

ferre howlett
frageurs   | 2008-07-02 05:02:37
Thanks Anonymous for your detailed Comment.
Honest John : You have a wierd way of asking questions. YEs i will be offering dividens once WSE oepns and a little more frequently as we have to catch up the dealys of when WSE was closed for updates.

However, i Will not offer divindeds on daily basis becuse i want to avoid speculation which can be harmeful in the long run.
ivan halfpint   | 2008-07-07 06:07:21
The question is not about CAR (althouh the execs at CAR, FSL and Sara Nerd seem to stick to Luke like a wet sock to a stinky foot). The question should be what happened to the hundreds of thousands of US dollars that were deposited in WSE?

What has Luke done with the money - it is not his money yet he has stolen thousands of US dollars that were just sitting in his website - not invested in anything. He lied by saying the market would be closed for up to 45 days. Why is he not in jail? This is not a little theft - i is huge - I have contacted him by e-mail for my lindens back and he just ignored me. Maybe it is time for some of the big stake holders to go to the media and expose what the Lindens are allowing to go on here. Let them reveal the USD transaction hat Luke has performed. He is a snake in the grass and he stolen money that is not his. End of story.