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Written by Guardian Market   
Sunday, 29 June 2008

By Guardian Market, SLR CFO

Does anyone here remember the WSE?  Remember LukeConnell Vandeverre, the self-assured CEO of that first multi-company stock exchange in Second Life?  It’ll strain your virtual memory to do so, since the WSE has all but disappeared in recent months and the metaverse has a short attention span.

On January 6, 2008, the World Stock Exchange posted this announcement stating that it was going to upgrade to a new edition of their webpage – WSE 4.0.  The article reports, “…we expect the new website design, layout, functionality and services should be completed within 45 days.”  That would have put launch date by February 20th.  Instead, at the time of this writing the WSE has been closed for 175 days, and shows no signs of life.  A splash screen which greets visitors says only that WSE 4.0 is coming,  and that the “Launch Date [is] CO.MI.NG”  Presumably the odd grammar is a cute way of saying that they’ll put those dates in the graphic soon.  The screen has been up for at least a month, without change.

 

I would love to give additional statistics on when WSE’s last announcement was, how many companies have left the WSE due to this prolonged closure, etc., but when I tried to log in and check records, I was greeted with the friendly message, “Research is closed during the upgrade process.” 

The closure itself brought about some controversy.  Lindsay Druart claimed at the time of closure that Vandeverre had advanced warning of the interest ban that was about to be handed down from Linden Labs.  As nearly half a year has passed since the closing date, I would have hoped that Vandeverre would be posting updates, reports, showing previews, etc.  However, this is not happening.  While Vandeverre is still in world (or so I hear – being in North America while he is in Australia, we don’t usually have the same schedule), the WSE website is nearly dead.  Only a few faithful companies do their financials, and the rest are either silent or leaving.

Oh, and in all of this, HCB (Hope Capital Bonds) have defaulted not just once, but three times on their periodic interest payments.  Again, the research section is closed, but from my records the payments should have occurred at December 2nd, February 2nd and May 2nd.  I renew my credit rating of D on Hope Capital.

So what is an investor to do?  I think most WSE investors have mentally, if not financially, written of their WSE account balances.  The cynic in me says that this is a mistake – that investors should only press harder the longer the outage lasts, but I know that won’t happen.  If money came into the WSE because of attention, then is this silence and non-activity a way of slowly letting that money leave the metaverse?  Only Vandeverre’s LindeX records will answer that question, and I doubt we’ll ever have access to those.

I encourage the WSE staff, especially Vandeverre, to make an announcement as soon as practical.  You have certainly had time to prepare your comments, and investors deserve to be treated better.

I encourage WSE accountholders to question Vandeverre about the standings of the site, a timeline for going live, and possible remuneration for the excessive delays, which will surely only result in depressed portfolio values if the site does ever resume.

As for my thoughts, I doubt the WSE will ever open again.  Going this long with no signs of life, my guess is that Vandeverre has gotten involved with other projects, either in the Metaverse or outside it, and the WSE will slowly fade away into the bits and bytes of the internet.
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Honest John  - Frageurs Fooled by Luke   |2008-07-13 06:34:36
Luke is Frageurs Master - thats why Frageurs defends his master
so much. The fact is- Luke screwed Frageurs out of 12
million Lindens (thats about 5 years EM motors revinues LOL) -
and all Frageurs can do is obey his master and rip
off investors out of 2 million L$- Ha!
Carlos Hysse   |2008-07-13 02:37:53
Fraguers Hock said " I was also good enough to open a business with no
initial investment."

Te ll me, Hack, is the reason that you didn't require
any initial investment is because you ripped people off of $L2 Million, per the
accusations made in this thread.

How much did Vandeverre screw you out of??
$L12 Million is the word on the street.
Anonymous   |2008-07-12 14:42:49
LOL @ Carlos Hysse

Your first comment:

"Why is it that when people have a differing opinion they
always resort to the "You're just a kid" or
"You have much to learn", like Frageurs Hock
has just done with Wenden Xeno."

But Then you Next Comment is calling him names like a kid would
do. LOL

"Fraguers, you're a hack, a nobody, nothing. You have
little business training or acumen."

What a joke. LOL
ivan halfpint   |2008-07-11 06:49:53
No Luke has screwed us all - he stole our lindens and if he ever re-opens he is
going to issue is 'Luke dollars'. The problem is CAR dude is backing him all the
way - we need some big account holder o talk to linden labs and try to get some
records of Luke cashing out OUR money and get in touch with the Austalian
authorities.

This is mass fraud - not petty fraud - but fraud involving
thousands and thousands of OUR dollars.
frageurs   |2008-07-11 05:59:03
Hum.. Carlos you sure have an attitude problem. Experience is what you need. No
man is born with all knowledge and you wont learn this from your books.
You
sure will never plan to meet me because I have no time for worthless,
protagonist people like you are so no worries about me and you.

I am good
enough in second life to at least put my real avatar name when I reply to any
fake comments on myself. I was also good enough to open a business with no
initial investment. I don
Carlos   |2008-07-11 05:58:41
GRR
frageurs Hock   |2008-07-11 05:57:28
Hum.. Carlos you sure have an attitude problem. Experience is what you need. No
man is born with all knowledge and you won
LOL Tilson  - Wake up and smell the coffee   |2008-07-11 01:25:23
LOL Carlos has hit the nail on the head.

Vamderverre has screwed you
Frageurs-

Wake up and smell the coffee!
Carlos Hysse   |2008-07-09 19:57:24
Why is it that when people have a differing opinion they always resort to the
"You're just a kid" or "You have much to learn", like Frageurs
Hock has just done with Wenden Xeno.

Fraguers, you're a hack, a nobody,
nothing. You have little business training or acumen. I've never met you, and
plan not to, so how have I reached these conclusions??

If you're so good then
you wouldn't be wasting your time in Second Life, you would own your own car
dealership in real life.

Vandeverre has screwed you, wake up and start
realising it, Hack!
IntLibber Brautigan  - ACE Back Online, WSE more of a     |2008-07-09 14:40:11
All ACE listed companies have been restored to trading. Meanwhile, FED relisted
from WSE to ACE, and their share price went from 0.70 on the last day of WSE
trading to currently at 25.00 a ahare. MAI relisted from WSE, and we have
several other WSE stocks waiting in our pipeline to relist when their CEOs make
final decisions soon.

WSE no longer trades in L$, the "WIC" is as
worthless as welfare scrip at a strip club.

Now, far be it for me to say "I
told you so" about WSE (something you all refused to believe for months),
and despite the fact that the actions of SLEC wrt WSE have been shown by time to
be ENTIRELY appropriate, I suppose people just cant stand being wrong and would
rather condemn the messenger.

Proof positive that people would much rather be
flattered and lied to well, than told the unvarnished if uncomfortable truth. I
wont apologize for telling you all the truth you didn't want to hear.

As for
me, I'm going to focus on getting our software upgrades we've planned for a long
while implemented, now that we are fully restored to full trading. Y'all can
chit chat amongst yourselves, or come over to ACE and get back to honest
trading.
BurnA Greenwood  - Found out what he is doing wit   |2008-07-08 10:31:16
I trespassed on Hope Capital Sim (again) and had the pleasure of meeting the man
himself (luke)... As far as I could make out he was making a very accurate
replica of a Freemasons lodge... why this should be deemed a priority remains
unclear to me... :)... but I'm sure he has his reasons...
ivan halfpint   |2008-07-07 06:07:21
The question is not about CAR (althouh the execs at CAR, FSL and Sara Nerd seem
to stick to Luke like a wet sock to a stinky foot). The question should be what
happened to the hundreds of thousands of US dollars that were deposited in
WSE?

What has Luke done with the money - it is not his money yet he has
stolen thousands of US dollars that were just sitting in his website - not
invested in anything. He lied by saying the market would be closed for up to 45
days. Why is he not in jail? This is not a little theft - i is huge - I have
contacted him by e-mail for my lindens back and he just ignored me. Maybe it is
time for some of the big stake holders to go to the media and expose what the
Lindens are allowing to go on here. Let them reveal the USD transaction hat Luke
has performed. He is a snake in the grass and he stolen money that is not his.
End of story.
frageurs   |2008-07-02 05:02:37
Thanks Anonymous for your detailed Comment.
Honest John : You have a wierd way
of asking questions. YEs i will be offering dividens once WSE oepns and a little
more frequently as we have to catch up the dealys of when WSE was closed for
updates.

However, i Will not offer divindeds on daily basis becuse i want to
avoid speculation which can be harmeful in the long run.
ferre howlett   |2008-07-01 13:40:04
do a search on google lol i did it and found my company to invest my lindens lol
or u can contact me inworld.
have fun trading

ferre howlett
Anonymous   |2008-07-01 10:50:17
"Yes- SAS- has the best reputation of any investment stock in SL. 0.05L
dividends since launch, and the share price up from 1L at IPO to highs of about
3L. Compare that to CAR- currently WORTHLESS (as a public stock)."

That s
a bais opinion, but besides that how many shares does the CEO own, how many are
in float, who are the top shareholders, where is the transparence. You have a
company that invests and leaches off of other companies, just like every other
investment company in SL, if they do good, yea for the CEO, if the company falls
they blame it on the companies they invested in. Alittle transparance on what
the company is investing in would be good, We know its not ACE, BNT, ESN,
KAU,since they dont make any money. Maybe when the WSE opens back up, you should
invest in CAR. I believe they paid .025L$ per share each week. That would double
the dividends on SAS.

As for Frageurs and CAR, before WSE shut down for this
endless upgrade, I believe that he paid weekly dividends, also he has the top
car making company in SL, so its making money. I don't see why he would have to
rip andone off.

What does SAS contribute to SL. Nothing
What does CAR
contribute to SL? Content, High qualtity Content
Honest John  - Answer the Question   |2008-07-01 10:02:45
So then Frageurs- Answer the question- Are you ripping off your investors- or
will you be paying them back now that WSE has been shut for half a year?
Frageurs   |2008-06-30 16:07:46
Wenden would be the last person to trust to, he doenst even do his job well. As
i said earlier, i never raised 2 million so claiming that i have made the
"easiest 2 million" is completly wrong as i never ever raised that much
money. Your job is to know all companies listing and how they are doing,
claiming something and making assumptions on fake claims is pretty bad. You must
get that in your thick head. Its not becuase now you have the money to buy
yourself some cloths that you can talk big.
BurnA Greenwood  - Hope Capital Trading Room   |2008-06-30 16:03:47
Inspired by this article, I decided to break into the WSE trading room on Hope
Capital Sim... Its got to be said - the guy has made a number of improvements.
I personally really like the WSE 4.0 ticker boards - certainly the most
sexy(though currently the least functional!) ticker boards in SL! Also the
place is set up for "The Official Launch of WSE 4.0" - including a very
cheesey red carpet. However - the last time any of the objects seem to have
been updated was 25 May 2008 (A full month ago) - maybe he launched it in
secret! Either way - renting a full sim and investing in a Facebook add-on -
i'd imagine we'll see some form of WSE eventually. Anyway - I have far too much
free time - who cares anymore anyway!
Anonymous   |2008-06-30 15:56:55
IF you didnt pick up on Luke talking about the WSE and Facebook back in February
then you must not be to smart. He was all over the facebooks jock like a bad
itch. And Wenden you companies on ACE, how is that any better then being on WSE.
IntLibber is the biggest scammer in SL.
Sportsbets   |2008-06-30 14:42:09
a new (killer) application.
And when i saw the WSE groups there i expected it
has something to do with it.
The application itself is new to me also,just
played around little bit,and it´s not even in BETA testing so i shouldn`t posted
the facebook link here.

So i asked to remove my posts+links about it,pls.

I
think when it´s finished and tested Luke will inform himself about it for
sure.

He not runned with our money or scammed or whatever, just not finished
until now.



Sorry for sluppy english ;)


SW
Sportsbets   |2008-06-30 14:04:44
Nope not secret, was just counting 1 and 1 when luke spoke about
Bims Writer  - WSE application   |2008-06-30 13:31:05
Hi there Sportsbets.

Have you kept the WSE application a secret;-)

or did
you write about it for 2-3 month ago when you noticed. Where did you perhaps
write about it. I think many do not have this information.

Bims Writer
Delta Abramovic  - Thick as Thieves   |2008-06-30 08:46:51
Luke stole 12 million Lindens of Frageurs- so Frageurs stole 2 million Lindens
off all his CAR investors (as hes scared that Luke wont pay him the 12 million
hes stolen if he delists). O guess that makes them thick as thieves! LOL
Wenden Xeno  - SAS   |2008-06-30 08:44:23
Yes- SAS- has the best reputation of any investment stock in SL. 0.05L
dividends since launch, and the share price up from 1L at IPO to highs of about
3L. Compare that to CAR- currently WORTHLESS (as a public stock).

With
Frageurs now outed as a thief who has stolen millions of Lindens- like he said
in his own words- "The WSE defaulting was the easiest 2 million Lindens I
ever made"
frageurs   |2008-06-30 07:10:27
Wenden is just a big bag of s*** that just doenst know what to say.

First.

I
have never raised 2 million Lindens so making a claim that i have raised the
easiest 2 million is fake as my Inital offer was 1 million outa which i have
paid around 200K in Dividens. ( that must hurt).
My assets were always greater
then my offer when i came to WSE. Motorcity was a sim which was there even
before i list myself on WSE, you can check that. I have always been inolved in
Land.

The reason why Wenden is being a big boy now is simply becuase he did not
keep his word. Wenden recently listed his compnay on SLAnpaex. I was the
chairman of it. The deal he made with me was that he will offer me some shares
in it, if i become the CEO Of it but have no power over the compnay. I agreed.
After the compnay got floated, Wenden did not keep his word and now he is having
fun spreading rumors. You are just a kid wenden, the money you will ever make
with your company= our 1 day revenue. Dont try to act big and spread rumors. I
was nice enough to not tell anyone about you not keeping your word, just dont
spread fake rumors.
Sportsbets   |2008-06-30 06:54:15
hm, i knowed it since 2-3 months or so but it´s still remaining in testing
phase:



Submitted by: World Stock Exchange - WSE (Trade)
Date: June 11,
2008
Hello,

The WSE application on Facebook is currently in testing
phase.

Please feel free to test out the application and to trade shares using
your bonus credits.

Share trading is currently only possible in HCL (Hope
Capital) and CAR (MH Motors)

Kind Regards,

Luke Connell,
CEO
World Stock
Exchange
Guardian Market  - SLR CFO     |2008-06-29 21:08:28
I had absolutely no idea about that Facebook app. Why on Earth didn't Luke
announce it on the WSE main page? Or did he and I was just asleep that day or
something?
Sportsbets  - FED   |2008-06-29 17:27:51
Wenden,
have look at FED (Ford Edelman Designs) trading 1000.00L$ a share :D
buy some for the SAS Portfolio, FED pays 0.01 monthly dividend there are some
for 750.00L$ now. cheap haha.
Sportsbets  - CAR   |2008-06-29 16:55:51
I know he used the money for MH Motors / Motorcity /Racing track etc.
Well
invested, he´s making good money with selling those Cars.I own some myself ;)
To
Bad WSE closed that long time, that 0.025 weekly dividend was yummy.

Once WSE
4.0 is fully functioning (can´t deposit/withdraw WIC´s now)
I´ll buy more CAR
shares for sure.

I understand he not delist or go private, 12.000.000 L$ is a
lot of money that stuck in his account.
Sportsbets   |2008-06-29 16:43:53
Frag? He has 11-12 Million L$ stocks&cash in WSE, that`s why i bet.
I not worry
about my 41k CAR shares, best stock when WSE opens.

Just bought some AMI shares
at WSE 4.0 lol
Wenden Xeno  - The easiest 2 million Lindens   |2008-06-29 15:14:47
Frageurs Hock told me that the WSE defaulting was the "easiest 2 million
Lindens I ever made"- thats why CAR hasnt delisted or gone private- so if
you wn CAR shares, go and check out the motorcity sim- thats what your Lindens
were used for, and you wont be getting them back
Anonymous   |2008-06-29 13:59:40
Lukes plan for HCB is since they have defaulted on the bond, Luke will probably
delist HCB and give everyone WTF shares
Sportsbets  - There:   |2008-06-29 13:54:48
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Recka Wuyts  - newsman     |2008-06-29 12:13:04
Ok...so the WSE won't be back, or maybe they will, but what of the other
exchanges....who's good, who's bad, who's...? where is the best place to
invest in the metaverse?
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